Deesines' graphics workshop

GameDude · Post by **GameDude** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:38 am

He's been working on them some, he's just really busy right now

KakashiXP · Post by **KakashiXP** » Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:29 pm

is the program you are using to make 3D models free? And if it is can you tell me the name of it?

oh, and your work is really good

Halifax · Post by **Halifax** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:43 am

You probably won't get any better than Blender if you are looking for a free professional open-source modeling program. Blender has even be used for the special effects in Spiderman 2, that is how professional it is.

vermeer · Post by **vermeer** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:21 pm

er...no, as far as am concerned was only for some preview/camera traveling.

the particles are no where near cinema quality.

yet tho I agree, is best bet for indies.

Halifax · Post by **Halifax** » Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:59 pm

Keyword of the day:

won't get any better than Blender if you are looking for a free professional open-source modeling

If he was looking for something "professional" then I would say Maya, or Lightwave.

Either way, I don't think his intent is for cinema quality, but Blender provides some amazing things.

Pictures pertaining to Blender:
Smigel(LOTR): http://www.blender.org/typo3temp/pics/a103dcb998.jpg
Old man: http://www.blender.org/typo3temp/pics/bfed3cef43.jpg
Detailed head: http://www.blender.org/typo3temp/pics/a90f19de69.jpg
Grapes: http://www.blender.org/typo3temp/pics/1ac6e994b4.jpg
iPod: http://www.blender.org/typo3temp/pics/20d1c9cb99.jpg

KakashiXP · Post by **KakashiXP** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:58 am

Holy Crap!

the Grapes are so real looking that i didnt even know if they were really 3D

i already downloaded blender but i still have to learn how to use it

it looks so kool

arras · Post by **arras** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:01 pm

Blender interface is bit confusing ...or quit a bit

If you are beginning with computer modeling I recommend you to start with something else.

Personally I can recommend you Wings3D: http://www.wings3d.com Its easy to use and have quit quick learning curve due to well designed, intuitive interface.

This is what I got out of it when attempting hi poly modeling some years ago:

GameDude · Post by **GameDude** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:21 pm

Wow ^

vermeer · Post by **vermeer** » Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:41 pm

If he was looking for something "professional" then I would say Maya, or Lightwave.

or.....Max! heheheee...very few blender people like it. I worked professionally with it for years. reaally good. Tho buggy, in times.

hey, I know very well those images...Rememeber to an extent am a blender user (since 2000 or so..) ...just I only like to use its aniamtion and some render.

Either way, I don't think his intent is for cinema quality, but Blender provides some amazing things.

Of course. For any indy, short film creator,(indeedy, for larger films, first it need faster and complete renderer, tho a pair of very nice ones are coming... ) etc, imo, is a jewel. I was just pointing out it does not compete with Spiderman or any cinema film requirements. A dumb detail, I know, but to often hear exageration talk about blender, and is something that harms it more than anything...wasn't your case, I notice.

Amen to what Arras says. While is a very wip, and was definitely left as the very wip stage, I was doing this model as a mix of an experiment to see how far could I get detailing using subd modeling without chunking Wings (is not very good on very hi res meshes, but wanted to check how much of it was a myth, as well on how much detail could I do in wings to delay the point of going to Zbrush(I have it) or to Blender sculpt... I was amazed to see that in this crappy machine it could let me detail a lot more than I thought, and I really love the control of subd mdoelling...at some point of every project that needs it, ie for a million tris or more mesh,one jumps to mudbox, sculpt, or zbrush, and...surely another machine, lol)

I prefer to model with wings or metasequoia, but seems is only a few of us with this preference...

btw, as I say was left at very wip stage... was for a very short (some seconds) movie that planned to make with a very good friend of mine who worked with me at certain company...

Virion · Post by **Virion** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:29 am

Before this I only do low poly models. But I've started to try hi poly by this week.Using max (I'm not that familiar with blender yet). So far only the head has been done.

omaremad · Post by **omaremad** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:26 am

Is that the low poly normalmapped version vermeer? because if those shoulders were hidden i would have thought it was the high poly version

Anyway i love blender so here is a experiment i did in 15 mins (i made the low poly head from another time)

I cheated and made a highpoly version by multi-resing the low poly version (no beziers nurbs or lots of hardwork), then i used blenders wonderful sculpting tools to make hair,beard and a scar. i Changed him into a monkey too with the grab tool

In that pic im rendering 3 million polygons on a gf6200 1gb of slow ram and a very old athlon. On linux this only uses 200megs of ram

i couldnt even get 1 million on vista.

Virion · Post by **Virion** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:30 am

cool i like the monkey XD

vermeer · Post by **vermeer** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:29 am

Is that the low poly normalmapped version vermeer? because if those shoulders were hidden i would have thought it was the high poly version

hi poly. It wasn't thought for realtime, t was going for a hi res movie, textured and animated(but animated using the low cage, which wasnt exactly a low pol version for games). The shoulders(like rest of the body) aren't really worked out, is only the head which has a bit of more work. But no where near a "detailed" stage.For hi res modeling, that is. I have a more advanced version with clothes and weapons, but seems I deleted the folder where I had screenies and the actual *.wings file, lol.. Anyway, is a dead project since years.

Interesting the head test, specially in that machine. Do you rotate now the viewport and paint with sculpt, and edit in general, with no slow down? I'd doubt it...the key thing is till when a package remains "easy to work with" performance wise. As indeed I modeled several thousands tris heads in Amorphium 1, many years ago, but was jumpy.Could do the work, but wasn't eficient for production/comfort. If you get no delay or 'jump', with that model count -in viewport-...would be interesting to know... And in which OS. I have 2x your ram, probably more powerful cpu, and better 3d card... (7600gt) ...and I strongly doubt I'd edit comfortly a 3 million tris head...so, am curious

omaremad · Post by **omaremad** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:22 pm

And in which OS. I have 2x your ram, probably more powerful cpu, and better 3d card... (7600gt) ...and I strongly doubt I'd edit comfortly a 3 million tris head...so, am curious Smile
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 im in ubuntu, if you look at the ram consumption you can see its not really stressing my pc.

But yes its running at 5fps bc of my gpu, but thats amazing compared to the 1 frame per 15 seconds i had on vista.

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vermeer · Post by **vermeer** » Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:50 pm

well, by no means that's gonna be practical, in deep, good detailing, not just some fast bumps...Anyway, still amazing that it can go with 3M polies...

vista...is eating already one gb or almost...is logical that it practically dies with one gb and that model.

anyway, i don't think you really need 3M polies, with 500k or 1M, allows a heck of a lot of detail, or you can just add that sort of detail only in some areas. And the others, being hi, not so dense.