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Model with 8 vertices == 36 vertices in irrlicht ????
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:05 pm
by vgx
The only meshbuffer of that model returns through getVertexCount() 36 vertices - I can imagine number like 24, but 36 ??? I would really appreciate some information what is going on ...
Re: Model with 8 vertices == 36 vertices in irrlicht ????
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:32 pm
by Baal Cadar
vgx wrote:I would really appreciate some information...
Same here. How about more information? What kind of model (like shape) ? What file format? What tool used to create it? What methods used to create it? All that.
Vertex duplication is necessary in some cases to retain per face settings in the modelling tool (e.g. face normal) in a real-time engine. Sometimes exporters are buggy too or faults during modelling can also cause unnecessary vertices.
This is idle speculation, as long as we don't know more.
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 10:46 pm
by vgx
This is that model:
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# Blender v241 OBJ File: k3.blend
# www.blender3d.org
mtllib k3.mtl
o Cube_Cube
v -1.510578 1.544067 1.478683
v -1.510578 1.544067 -1.542473
v -1.510578 -1.477089 -1.542473
v -1.510578 -1.477088 1.478683
v 1.510578 1.544068 1.478682
v 1.510578 1.544067 -1.542475
v 1.510578 -1.477089 -1.542473
v 1.510578 -1.477089 1.478683
vt 0.990000 0.010000 0.0
vt 0.990000 0.989999 0.0
vt 0.010000 0.010000 0.0
vt 0.010000 0.990000 0.0
vt 0.010000 0.010000 0.0
vt 0.990000 0.010000 0.0
vt 0.990000 0.990000 0.0
vt 0.010000 0.990000 0.0
vt 0.990000 0.990000 0.0
vt 0.010000 0.010000 0.0
vt 0.010000 0.990000 0.0
vt 0.990000 0.010000 0.0
vt 0.990000 0.990000 0.0
vt 0.010000 0.010000 0.0
vt 0.990000 0.990000 0.0
vt 0.010000 0.990000 0.0
vt 0.010000 0.010001 0.0
vt 0.989999 0.010000 0.0
vt 0.990000 0.010000 0.0
vn 0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
vn 0.000000 0.000000 1.000000
vn -0.000000 -1.000000 0.000000
vn -0.000000 -1.000000 0.000000
vn -0.000000 0.000000 -1.000000
vn 0.000000 -0.000000 -1.000000
vn -0.000000 1.000000 -0.000000
vn 0.000000 1.000000 -0.000001
vn 1.000000 -0.000000 0.000000
vn 1.000000 -0.000000 0.000000
vn -1.000000 0.000000 -0.000000
vn -1.000000 0.000000 -0.000000
g Cube_Cube_None_txr5.jpg
usemtl None_txr5.jpg
s off
f 5/1/1 1/2/1 8/3/1
f 1/2/2 4/4/2 8/3/2
f 3/5/3 7/6/3 8/7/3
f 3/5/4 8/7/4 4/8/4
f 2/1/5 6/9/5 3/10/5
f 6/9/6 7/11/6 3/10/6
f 1/12/7 5/13/7 2/14/7
f 5/13/8 6/8/8 2/14/8
f 5/15/9 8/16/9 7/17/9
f 5/15/10 7/17/10 6/18/10
f 1/13/11 2/11/11 4/19/11
f 2/11/12 3/3/12 4/19/12
As can be seen, it was created in blender3D and format is wavefront obj, contains 8 vertices, 19 uv coords, 12 normals and 12 triangle faces ... and it is simple evidently bit nonuniformly texture mapped cube ...
Posted: Thu May 11, 2006 11:12 pm
by bitplane
looks like a buggy exporter. running through wings3d takes out the duplicated normals and tcoords and fixes the minus zeros too.
edit: oh yeah, and three twelves are 36, three being verts and twelve being triangles
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 1:04 am
by dhenton9000
its not a bug, its a feature
I walked through the irrlicht obj importer and its how it deals with the 8 items listed in the obj file to create SVertices that work with drawindextriangle list, the 8 requires a data construct for a "face" (4 faces with pointers into the vertex array) to avoid duplicates.
No such data structure exists in irrlicht, AFAIK.
I know this from painful experience, I had a algorithm that wanted as few vertices as possible, so the 36 from 8 really got me. BTW its 24 to 8 for .x
Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 7:57 am
by hybrid
I'd say it's a bug in the exporter, because redundant vertices are created! Check the values for the 4/19/* vertices of the last two faces. Vertex normals 11 and 12 are the same so there would be no need to create a new vertex for that, but this would need rather heavy preprocessing which should be done by the exporter instead. Otherwise all combinations of the faces definitions have to be compared and only unique vertices are used.