Irrlicht Engine

yeah. irrlicht supports opengl 2.0?
And well. it is outdated.

Irrlicut is also running on OpenGL 3.x and 4.x. There are some things which are not yet accessible from the API, but it's not impossible to give access to those things. We have had these discussions for many times now. Once we go for the flexible vertex format, most new methods from newer driver versions should be available.

but that would still leave DX waiting until a driver is released

Well, IIRC we already have two driver implementations. However, none of them ever was announced ready for inclusion in the engine. I just need a sign from one of the original developers that the DX1x driver is as complete as it can be. And it should not use too many changes to the rest of the engine. Then we can add this driver as well. Maybe first as another staging driver, just as the ogl-es drivers. But there's no reason that we don't want this one in the engine.

I can't wait until its done. Perfect!

sounds awesome!

Yeah. DX11 would be awesome. I think the reason some people might choose Ogre over Irrlicht is because Ogre supports DX11.

but ogre has horrible code. <---one of my reasons for not using ogre.

aswell as a poor performer

I did try Ogre once, and I must say its in no way a bad performer, some of the demos ran quite fast even for an IGP were Irrlicht was rather sluggish. Yeah I benchmarked them, Irrlicht vs. Ogre, Irrlicht could maintain its framerate quite a bit better though once you 'really' piled in Geometry. But Ogre is faster in some of its shader implementations.
But oh God, its .mesh format is one hella piece of ....!

Aaand, not to forget the 'Code', that's exactly what it is with Ogre, if Germany used that in WW2...

errr then ogre is counter optimised for multiple gpu or uber hight end system XD

when i benched ogre vs irrlicht ogre got mutilated with a mere 26 fps where irrlicht could do in the 200 but at the time it could have been caused by unoptimised driver

Yeah, same reason I chose Irrlicht: cleaner code. But let's not turn this into an Irrlicht vs Ogre flamewar though.

indeed. let's not.

Flamewar? Where? Dang you guys are quick to jump for the gun. I was merely weighing the options...

it would turn into a flamewar. I have seen my share of similar discussions. it will. just trust me.