best system for a diablo like view style ??

AmigaIrr · Post by **AmigaIrr** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:48 am

wath is better to use ?

BSP, .X, .MD3, ... ??

thanks....

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 9:46 pm

Diablo-style but in 3d?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:17 pm

he means isometric view (diablo-style is a common word for it).
i would use terrain and models.

AmigaIrr · Post by **AmigaIrr** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:58 am

Yes, right, diablo (and d2) use isometric view
(diablo 2 use 3d graphics hardware acceleration to manage screen)

i think 3d is better than pure 2d especialy for light and special effects !

then, y préconise terreain + object.

right, i go

BUT, wath for terrain type ?
and wath editor use for terrain creation ?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 3:12 am

there are no "types" of terrain like BSP or X for example. you can use several scenenodes but the best i think is the "GeoMipMap Terrain" that you can find here:
http://irrlicht.sourceforge.net/phpBB2/ ... php?t=5166

for heightmap creation you dont need any tools, as a heightmap simply consists of b/w colors, you could even use windows paint for that.

but if you look for a very good 2D graphics program like adobe photoshop for example, i suggest you have a look at gimp:
www.gimp.org

and if you look for 3D graphics program you may have a look at blender:
www.blender3d.org

basically you only need gimp to make your smoothed heightmaps (paint has no ability to make smooth ones) and if you are experienced enough you can do all other 2D images in it aswell, since its really useful. for objects you can use blender, a very good tool, too. and for the terrain you use a scenenode like the geomipmapping one as i told you above.

good luck

AmigaIrr · Post by **AmigaIrr** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 4:44 pm

Thanks.

but :

the terrain is very 'flaty"
my intention is to generate a terrain with many différents round types, no inly a simple texture stretched..... and many interaction with...

i need to recomiple irrlicht....

and i cant try the terrain gen (no save in the free version !) !

my intention is to use the "default irrlicht engine" (for the moment ?)

thanks for your help....

AmigaIrr · Post by **AmigaIrr** » Sun Jan 23, 2005 5:28 pm

il liked the matrix style in Dark Basic Pro

a terrain generation that eich face can contain a différent texture !!

I thinking to another system :

- a différent mesh for any type of texture
- composing the world by paste side by side the mesh to create the whole world
- create my own terrein editor based on tiled engine in 3d !!!

AmigaIrr · Post by **AmigaIrr** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 6:33 am

ahve you see the beutiful textures in warcraft III ?

the terrain is not uniform !

has a multiples textures, and it's really in 3d (rotating, ....)

is this possible in irrlicht ?

or go to OGRE ?

my intention is very to coding this type of terrain, with many différents textures...

Thanks for your help !!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Thu Apr 14, 2005 1:58 pm

Hello

You can put all the textures in one file (bmp jpg etc)
then for each poligon of you terain you can use th UV parmeters to select the texture you want

you need a good 3d editor (ex 3d studio Max) and even like this it's quite long.

olivier

SARIN · Post by **SARIN** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 1:15 am

hey, another db user.
anyways, i suggest using anim8or [url]http:\\www.anim8or.com[/url]
also, for terrain generation, i strongly suggest terranim8or, a plugin for anim8or. i just make my terrains in teranim8or, import them into the modeler, add buildings or trees etc. and export as 3ds or obj. also for actual animation
(despite its name, anim8or cant export animation) i would use milkshape3d. it comes with a free 30 day trial version, and is quite cheep for the full

Plato · Post by **Plato** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:31 am

If I would decide to build Diabolo-Clone game I would:

1) for terrain - use seamless world with predesigned locations (reason: the player should memorize map locations to predefine fighting tactics. Random Generated terrain will mix players brains up)

2) for effects - use HLSL shaders for smoke, reflection and water (reason: looks nice

)

3) for models - MD2, MD3 - good for FPshooter not RPGame... Predefine animation is past century so its much much better to use inGame phisics to define animation.

4) for gameplay - guys, lets forget "Diabolo-clone", "Fallout-clone" and ect labels. I would make "real world" not "quest-oriented" one. I would take MMORPG rules and make single game out of this...

Plato · Post by **Plato** » Fri Apr 15, 2005 8:31 am

If I would decide to build Diabolo-Clone game I would:

1) for terrain - use seamless world with predesigned locations (reason: the player should memorize map locations to predefine fighting tactics. Random Generated terrain will mix players brains up)

2) for effects - use HLSL shaders for smoke, reflection and water (reason: looks nice

)

3) for models - MD2, MD3 - good for FPshooter not RPGame... Predefine animation is past century so its much much better to use inGame phisics to define animation.

4) for gameplay - guys, lets forget "Diabolo-clone", "Fallout-clone" and ect labels. I would make "real world" not "quest-oriented" one. I would take MMORPG rules and make single game out of this...

AmigaIrr · Post by **AmigaIrr** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:53 am

very thanks people !!

I think about....

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You can put all the textures in one file (bmp jpg etc)
then for each poligon of you terain you can use th UV parmeters to select the texture you want

you need a good 3d editor (ex 3d studio Max) and even like this it's quite long.
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--> can you explain a little more ??

Very thanks !!

MikeR · Post by **MikeR** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:27 pm

If you are using photoshop, you can place a base texture, then apply other textures over it, setting the opacity of each. My av under my name is actualy 4 different pics merged into one. It works.

SARIN · Post by **SARIN** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:38 pm

u could try using irrlichts addZipFileArchive, and converting all the textures into the zip file. this would prob be easier and take less space.

If I would decide to build Diabolo-Clone game I would:

1) for terrain - use seamless world with predesigned locations ( reason: the player should memorize map locations to predefine fighting tactics. Random Generated terrain will mix players brains up)

2) for effects - use HLSL shaders for smoke, reflection and water ( reason: looks nice )

3) for models - MD2, MD3 - good for FPshooter not RPGame... Predefine animation is past century so its much much better to use inGame phisics to define animation.

4) for gameplay - guys, lets forget "Diabolo-clone", "Fallout-clone" and ect labels. I would make "real world" not "quest-oriented" one. I would take MMORPG rules and make single game out of this...

plato, i disagree. if its a diablo clone, then 1)there should be random worlds, BUT predefined locations slightly random placed (in the same area)
2)actually, i agree here 3)i think that animations might be easier, and would follow more of the RPG diablo style, but if possible the physics might be great 4)mmorpg IS quest oriented, the only difference is that the quests are usually optional (which might be wat ur saying, i dont no)
anyways, goodluck amigairr