Gas Protest

[Spintz]

The new Toyota Supra is planned to be a hybrid, fuel-electric car, with more than 400HP!!

I'll do my part and buy that hybrid when it comes out!

[Luben]

anyway, I welcome the higher prices, it helps developments like this car (and makes it cheaper):



electric cars are not as pathetic as they use to be, this car outperforms a Ferrari, and only exists because of the raising petal prices, it will be cool when electric cars are just like normal cars in price.

Wow, now i'm jealous of people in the USA! But i can't afford it anyway, so whatever

[roxaz]

you fat Americans are polluting the planet way too much allready. put your gas price up more! 500%

totaly agree. America one of the top - polluters in the world and thats not enaugh, government refuses to take action to control planet pollution, government says that the are NOT polluting planet so much!!!

P.S. Come to Lithuania, there fuel costs 1.36 $/l

[CmdKewin]

Trains-fuel(they arnt old fassioned and use coal anymore), and they use a 50x the amount a car uses because they have to lug around the trains everyone sits in

Uhm. Never heard of Electric Trains? Most of central europe (and not only that) is electrified. And most of the energy needed is produced through non-polluting means, Hydroelectric for the most part (Switzerland, Austria, Italy, Germany to name a few). It's really an anglo-saxon habit to STILL have Diesel engines for trains (UK, US, South Africa, Canada, you get the idea...): an electric engine is just AS efficient as a fuel one. Even if you take into account batteries, which would be needed for a car but obviously not for a train (which, last time I checked, i sconstantly supplied through the catenary).

Besides even if a train would consume 50x more "fuel" than a car, it can still move around WAY more people than 50x times what a SINGLE car can. It's better anyways.

[Luben]

Don't be so hot-headed. If you just want to discuss wether or not the USA is to mighty and does things the way the want it, start a new thread instead of drifting away from the topic too much, which is the price of gas in the USA, and not pollution or general politics or types of trains.

And if i'm not mistaken, non-passenger trains do use diesel. I'd love to see a traing with 50 fully loaded cars that run on electricity though. Imagine the power transmitted!
(Reservations for mistakes)

[buhatkj]

most of the power that electric cars and trains would consume is still being generated by fossil fuels though. all the same they do make more efficient use of the fossil fuels, but that's only a small part of the environmental problem. we need to reduce our energy use/carbon output yes, but even more I think we have to stop deforesting the planet too. especially in the tropics. tropical forests contribute even more to scrubbing the air of CO2 and cooling the planet back down than temperate ones do. in the USA most of our paper companies and loggers plant even more than they cut, so that they can sustain the resource that they make their money from, but in the amazon for instance acres upon acres of forest are being burned to make room for farmland. no trees are being replanted there. i think we need to find a better way to get these people the food they need so that they dont have to burn the forests.

as for gas prices in the USA, yeh we have it cheap. i dunno why people get all fired up about it, even last year when it was $3.50-3.75 a gallon i didnt care, I knew it was still cheap by comparison. it helps that we have domestic oil as well as imported, i think that helps keep the prices lower than europe for instance. one good thing is we are finally beginning to develop our ability to produce ethanol in large scale, which is a heck of a lot cleaner than gas, and renewable to boot. how about a plug-in hybrid ethanol/electric car? now THAT would be a pretty clean/efficient vehicle

[StickyBit]

Exactly, so we arnt the ones causing all the polution. And for all you who do drive fuel efficient cars, even if you dont liv ein the US. Try riding a bike, or walking to work for a week or two, and try and see what it is like.

Dont sit here and tell us to start walking or start riding a bike, when you guys drive cars to and from work. And i know for a fact almost everyone drives there. Our population in California has almost like trippled in the past 10 years. So many people live here now, I have to work, i have to pay for gas, i have to support my family. Im seeing a pattern bla bla bla...

Stop complaining fool. Havn´t you realized that you only pay rougly half as much for gas - compared to EU citizens? When your gas price reaches ours, and you americans learn to drive 100 cui cars like us - then we can consider debateing your gasprice.

-Stickybit

[jam]

On May 15th, everyone i know of will be protesting againts the High gas prices arising in the United Sates. So we ask if everyone to participate and not go to the gas station in protest of these prices. Gas is now over $3.00 a gallon in most places.

A gas protest is ineffective for various reasons such as lack of participants. The protest does not run long enough, Oil companies run their inventories on a weekly basis, a single day protest does absolutely nothing. You would have to run the protest for more than a week before the oil companies would see a hit. Last but not least, all a single day boycott does is cause people to buy gas either earlier or later than they would normally do so.