New forum section for 3D modeling

arras · Post by **arras** » Sat May 12, 2007 12:45 pm

What would you say about having separate forum section related to 3D modeling? I know Irrlicht is not modeling tool but its fairly related.

It might be place for posting your 3d work, ask question, discus tools and post tutorials.

...just an idea.

hybrid · Post by **hybrid** » Sat May 12, 2007 1:21 pm

Since Open Discussion is not really overrun I guess it's where you could place it. However, application specific things for non-Irr* tools should probably go to Other than Irrlicht.

Virion · Post by **Virion** » Sat May 12, 2007 1:29 pm

Why don't just make a forum for not only irrlicht but a forum for game development? What I mean is not only graphics, but also sound, physics etc.

Rendering - Irrlicht
Sound - IrrKlang
XML - IrrXML
Physics - IPhysics, etc etc?
Network - IrrNet, etc etc

Scene/map - IrrEdit
3D Modelling
Texturing
...and so forth

I don't think separate irrlicht and irrklang/irrxml/irredit is a good idea.
IMO actually Irrlicht can be included in Ambiera too.

arras · Post by **arras** » Sun May 13, 2007 7:17 am

There was separate modeling forum at Dark Basic community and it worked wery well (or served). Helped to attract people to engine. I asume that 70-80% of Irrlicht applications developed are in 3D so most of the people who work with Irrlicht end up using some 3D models.

...Yes, yes, I know there are lots of dedicated sites and forum around ...it was just an idea howe this forum could offer some better servis for users.

vermeer · Post by **vermeer** » Sun May 13, 2007 11:45 am

I asked for it several eons ago (I mean, probably years)

but wasnt lucky...

Guess here people is only interesting in coding, or solving coding problems as th eimportant matter...But you yet need our crappy existance, us the artists...

No, seriously, it's a graphic engine, it tells something... All what you represent is 3d or 2d stuff.... No matter how well you code it, finally you are displaying meshes...Er..well, enough philosophy for now...I mean, I have allways thought it is essential. I don't know the number of issues I have solved here via posts , answering questions , or PMs (lately I almost don't look at those, hardly do...) Which proves we really have allways needed a modelling forum, where you could stickies of tricks, etc. I don't know the percentage of the forums where there are posts explaining things about x, Blender, OBJ, problems in conversions,ppl asking for artists...But i guess is a ..nice percentage.

No, really, I think Arras idea is very good.

There are many interesting projects, some years ago I would have helped in more than one -now am too busy- , but if you don't set a modelling/art forum, chances are you're just not helping artists stay around here, they will feel this is more for coders only worlds, and, will jump to other places as they pass by...Besides the allways known trick: when an artist see a project with already pro well done content, feels in th emood to join...when sees crappy art, thinks will have to see his characters mixed with that and credits not specifying well who did what...

I have times thought on making myself simply a blog, to put all my tricks...but then again, no time...a modelling section helps things go more there, and helps that area build stronger. Yes, dbpro had one, I gave quite some tricks there too... (no, wasnt the same nick) , also gamestudio, also blitz forums, almostevery game engine out there.

vermeer · Post by **vermeer** » Sun May 13, 2007 11:47 am

besides, the reason there are dedicated places out there is like...hey, artist, move away, thi sis for coders... XD Which I think is bad way, because games are team work usually, and you need at least graphics in a 50% of the thing...

Plus, an art appart site, and a coders only site, doesnt help making games. Imo, a game is an orchestra kind of thing...I've worked in game companies, and is just an organic beast, evry one play his role...

Also, if you go to art only sites, rarely they're gonna tell u how this or that irrlicht issue happen, they're rarely gonna be interested, and even less, aware of it...

(edit..not demmanding it. Moderators have already loads of issues...and this forum I dont know its technical limits. I just get into the conversation on how much reason has Arras on this...)

vermeer · Post by **vermeer** » Sun May 13, 2007 11:54 am

I'd set a graphic section, not limited to "modelling"

Maye something called in thelines of 'modelling and 2D', so to it be open to everything of that kind, as you dont need to subdivide more...

While sound is important, as well as physics,etc, those are(usually libraries) strongly related to coding, havent seen not a small portion even, of people here demanding this or that kind of music...which could happen, but imo, first you'r building the basic bricks of at least having something working in the screen...

Virion · Post by **Virion** » Sun May 13, 2007 12:46 pm

graphic stuffs can be divided into: 3d modelling, texturing, 2d art, sprite... what else?

arras · Post by **arras** » Sun May 13, 2007 1:10 pm

vermeer >> thanks for your support, I already tought I am alone here

Just one more thing: game modeling (or graphic in general) is quit specific in that you work under sewere restrictions ...mostly in form of maximum polygoons/size allowed. Most of 3D art forums is not game graphic specific.

Forum section can simply be named "2D/3D graphic" ...covers preaty all.

monkeycracks · Post by **monkeycracks** » Sun May 13, 2007 1:25 pm

Or just 'Graphic Discussion'
Then again, that sounds kind of bad <_<
*rotten.com flashbacks*

roxaz · Post by **roxaz** » Sun May 13, 2007 2:06 pm

theris "other than irrlicht" subforum, what else do you need...?

TheGameMaker · Post by **TheGameMaker** » Sun May 13, 2007 2:19 pm

I would vote for a 3D subforum as well!

BlindSide · Post by **BlindSide** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:49 pm

I fully agree, I want to attract some modelers to this forum. There are many but this forum lacks them because it does not contain an area for them. Also it will make new projects much easier if modelers offer their creations on this forum for free. (Or cheap)

Modelers want programmers, programmers want modelers, I think this will make everyone happy.

belfegor · Post by **belfegor** » Sun May 13, 2007 8:06 pm

I am for this too.

Why not someone make poll and if it goes well (above certain value
for a few days, maybie a month) then its worth to make that section.
Maybie?

vermeer · Post by **vermeer** » Sun May 13, 2007 10:19 pm

Indeed, is the usual thing in every game related forum (art section).
Simply, is a fact modellers come this way (much more or just a bit, is random, but hey)

'Graphic Discussion'

I thought about it, but prob is ppl can get confused and think is for graphic specific programming...

I'd vote for :

a) something abstract enough, still defining what should go there like : '3d and 2D artwork'.

b) the idea of subdividing in more sections the forums...I allways have thought that's an overkill, in a place there are so few artists, and often, a way to loose track of interesting threads...Imo, better a single one.Just some tittle that states it's for artwork creation (be it for show models, give model, post helps, tricks, tutorials bout art making, tips and workflows to get art stuff into irrlicht, etc..)

Only subdivision I'd do...would be a more general one, but not bellow art section, but in main irrlicht forums......like a people wanted... sort of for people looking for a coder, and artist, musician etc...With a tiny sticky stating some rules, like please tell about your project when ask for people...