VS 11 Express and native Win32 development

[Mel]

There are so much things that should be done right from the begining... But non Windows applications are starting to be more and more common.

[Cube_]

true.
I think it's a bad habbit to write windows specific code instead of writing it X-platform. but looking at where the market is going, this bad habbit should die away in the next few years

[hendu]

I just read that Windows Server 2012 will also force Metro. Server!

MS, say goodbye to your SMB customers.

[mongoose7]

M$ seem to have relented and will now allow the compilation of 'desktop' apps.

[CuteAlien]

@mongoose7: Do you have some link where this is mentioned? This would be interesting.

[ACE247]

M$ Digging its own grave... again?
Just which one are they going to fall into???

[hybrid]

heise also had this some days back (German): http://www.heise.de/developer/meldung/G ... 14766.html
Here's a link in English (from MSDN blog): https://blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio/a ... ected=true

[CuteAlien]

Hey, nice! Guess I have to edit my first post :-) They also already mentioned in the blog that they consider releasing a patch after the release to allow XP support again.

[Mel]

I am glad to hear it. They would be facing directly the "Windows H8" feeling. Many people who is starting in the programming business start with the express editions, if they couldn't release on Windows 8, they directly would ignore it, and start developping just for Win7 during the time it lasts, and open to other platforms as well as it is happening with Windows XP

[sudi]

Hmm interessting thoughts there and i share all the concerns, if ms gives out a new platform it should allow at least the usage of opengl since they are already trying to be crossplatform because....
its actually a valid need of microsoft to disallow the development of normal desktop applications. That way all the hobby developers out there write metro apps which run on pc, tablet, phone which is actually awesome when you look at it from afar...and in return limiting to dx is also valid bc that way ms only has to keep one graphics device around on all the platforms. The next plus with the signing is that the ms appstore gets filled with lots of apps and lots of free apps which is just what people want these days. I guess the app store will be one of the strongest points for the new windows version and since all apps are special metro apps people know upfront what the app will access just like with android apps(needs internet access, etc). The other concern here is regarding the usage of irrlicht...i don't think ms has big interesst in keeping up a hoppy game market with more than stuff like angrybirds or the like. They have a gameconsole and they are slowly shifting all gaming over to xbox actually. And most people do not have a strong computer these days and with services like gaikai and onlive on the rise people don't need strong hardware anymore in their computers. I for example had a 6year old laptop until a month ago until it just broke down. And i must say i didn't really play at all. not only bc most new games did not run but bc i didn't feel the need. And i guess most people feel the same when they get older, ofcourse one still plays but differently. Mostly you want to be entertained when you play alone or coop and in multiplayer well multiplayer is a totally different story and follows different flow. And thats actually the next point...and now i am leaving the topic...anyway...