Looking for 1 or 2 coders to develop a (online) game

[Mithradantor]

Hi there,

I am a professional webdeveloper and 3D modeller. For years I have been walking with the idea of making a game.
I know a fair bit of C++ but never got to the professional level unfortunately.

Since I can design 3D models, worlds et cetera, I wanted to try to get a small team of 2 or 3 people to start the development
of an awesome (preferably online) game.

As said, a professional website (in the future) will be no problem at all. If the project goes the way I want it, in the future we will
need (dont know the right english prenouncement for it) funders. Since I am a CEO for almost 10 years now, I have a lot of relationships
and connection so finding funders shouldnt be a problem neither.

What I am looking for:
One or two dedicated C++ coders. You do not have to work on fixed times, as this will be a "in our free time project". I dont care if you cant work on the game
for 3 of 4 days once, but when you can only work on the game for like 1 hour a week, week after week, then there is no point in applying to this project.

If you dedicated your self to this project, there is money to be made with this in the future. So you have to be able to say "I cant go out this weekend" sometimes.
Or tell your girlfriend to bug off because you have an class or alchoritme to finish first *lol*

You have to be open and fair. If you dont understand stuff, or simple dont have the knowledge to archieve something we need, it is no problem at al. Just inform us
and we will find a solution for it.

When you say "next week thursday it will be done" then have it done by that day and not 7 days later. I know you can not always make it in time especially with stuff
like 3D modelling and high-level coding but as you understand, a promise is a promise and you should strive to keep your word when possible.

Also, you need to be willing to sign your signature on (in the future) some kind of contract. This is just to secure the both of us. If we ever make money with the game,
it will be devided fairly amongst the team. It is also (to keep a long story short) to keep your self secured in the team so people cant kick you out of the team or, to say
it in a harsh way, stab a knife in your back.

Skills you need:
- Good overall knowledge of C++ coding
- Preferably at least the basic knowledge of Irrlicht, since if you know C++ using -and learning Irrlicht shouldnt be a problem
- a Decent knowledge of mathematics. You need to be able to calculate various things like pathfinding alchoritmes and collision detection (i.e. will an object hit the wall or will it hit the enemy)
- Good English writing skills. Why English? because almost everyone can talk and type English. If we get more people in our team (now, or in the future) everyone needs to be able to understand and talk to one another

What can I offer you:
- a 3D modelleren
- Professional webdeveloper
- Connections to funders
- Trustfull partner to develop the game with

The idea:
I have multiple idea's for games as I have been thinking about this for years. There are two plans in my head in which I see a lot of potention. Ofcourse we will brainstorm as a team to develop the idea further and -or to
make changes. Of course I will not throw down the idea here since these forums can be read by anyone on the world wide web, but if you are sincerely interested then I can explain you my idea's on MSN or by e-mail.

So, if you have any questions... feel free to ask them by e-mail, PM or by replying on this topic. If you are interested, send me an e-mail or PM with the following information:

- Name
- Age
- Country (dusnt matter much)
- E-mail address
- Skills (C++, Engines, Frameworks, Photoshop, things like that)
- Anyhting else you want to let me (us, as we might get more people in the future) know

I hope to see some reactions from people on these boards

Pre have-a-nice new year in a couple of hours all



Yours sincerely,

GZ

[Cube_]

oh, I could possibly have the time after jan 11.
Will tell you then.

[Mithradantor]

Awesome, will be looking forward

Seeing your name, you from the Netherlands by any chance?

[fmx]

Let me get this straight:
you're looking for (only) 1 or 2 (generic, all purpose) C++ programmers to develop a (not so simple) Online game, for zero pay until the 'game' becomes developed enough to attract funding?

You may be a CEO for a decade with extensive network of contacts and connections, but I dont believe you know what you're doing here, to say it bluntly.

How much research have you done on developing commercial video games?
Followed by the question, how much research have you done on the creation of Online video games?

A quick search on google should be enough to give you a basic idea of how your plans are likely to explode in a few months (or years) after you start going down this route, without knowing what you're getting yourself into.

I'm not trying to discourage you or flame your plans, but please do yourself a favour and do more R&D in the industry and product you're attempting to make, *before* you start getting other people involved.

I could help, but I dont work for free
Good luck

[Granyte]

i could have been interested in contributing depending on wich way the project is aiming but i won't have time till march at least

[Mithradantor]

Let me get this straight:
you're looking for (only) 1 or 2 (generic, all purpose) C++ programmers to develop a (not so simple) Online game, for zero pay until the 'game' becomes developed enough to attract funding?

You may be a CEO for a decade with extensive network of contacts and connections, but I dont believe you know what you're doing here, to say it bluntly.

How much research have you done on developing commercial video games?
Followed by the question, how much research have you done on the creation of Online video games?

A quick search on google should be enough to give you a basic idea of how your plans are likely to explode in a few months (or years) after you start going down this route, without knowing what you're getting yourself into.

I'm not trying to discourage you or flame your plans, but please do yourself a favour and do more R&D in the industry and product you're attempting to make, *before* you start getting other people involved.

I could help, but I dont work for free
Good luck

I know people think this way, but like I said it is a " in your spare time" project. It is for fun and while doing it you will learn tons of new stuff. With coding you are never done learning.
Besides that, you have to start somewhere I cant afford 500.000 on coders, designers, servers, software et cetera. In a way you are right, but then again... if you never try then you never know.

And yes, for zero pay. Why? People with the right attitude dont mind "not getting paid yet". They will do it to get their name known in the business, and like I said... with dedicated it can and will be a good project.
When you have a small team you can "perfect" the idea for the game and further develop it.

When I started I also dit something like this but only in the webdevelopment. First 4 projects failed, but my fifth project got me a major succes. I sell advertisements for around €500 a month each, to 20 different
advertisers at all time. This is only the money made from advertisements, not even from various other stuff our "platform" offers... do the math

So basicly I am searching for (which might be hard, but it is possible) people with the same spirit like me. Make my name in the business by showing my skills, how trustworthy I am, my professionalism, et cetera.
And with trust, devotion and dedication you will get there on the long run.

Like said, it is something to do in our free-time, so when we developed (to put it simple) 'A' and we are not satisfied, we change it into 'B'. There is no rush, and it all comes to putting the best idea's of each one of us
into 'one' project.

Ofcourse like said, I can code in C++ but I have little or none experience with Irrlicht. So yes, for 80% I know what to expect, how long it will take, et cetera... and for the other 20%... it is up to the coders to inform me.
Tell me what they need to know, so I can provide them with the right information and -or stuff. But that is what it is all about with being a "team". Togather you make a "whole" cause 1 guy can impossibly know everything.

Anyways, I am working on forums and filling them with data. When done I will send the link to the people who are seriously interested. They can then read about my idea and if willing, vote on one of the two idea's and apply
to become a member of that project.

A last note, about the investment part and other stuff. I already talked to people, and they said they will invest IF we can comply to a couple of simple, but obvious rules.

- a good idea written on paper (presentation) and worked out partially in software.
- the game has to be for a huge public and it has to have potention (be attracting for them).
- the game should have at least 1 option to make generate an permanent income (i.e. itemshop module or "premium" accounts or something like that).
- there has to be a dedicated and most of all trustworthy team. no leavers or quiters, and if someone leaves for what ever reason, the team should still be able to make progress and not come to an halt.
- and ofcourse, all must be willing to set signatures on (dont know the english prenoucement sorry) the legal documents to cover everyone in particular.

So yeah, I have investors, but they wont even think about investing before we have an (sort-of) Alpha stage of the game with a nice idea worked out digitally or on paper. But can you blame them?

Anyways, happy new year guys!

[chronologicaldot]

Happy New Year

Sorry to bring in more rain, but I'm under the impression most people, if they are going to work for free and have this kind of liberty at designing a game, would probably just work with some of their friends and do it for fun on an as-desired basis (which usually means the game is never finished). If you're just looking to work with someone on a game, leave money out of the issue. Don't mention money at all. If you are looking for a commercial venture, you need to be more serious about this.
Your game plan (pardon the pun) sounds ad hoc. You don't seem to know what you want. That's a bad start. Pick an idea. How motivated are you to see it's completion? (Money isn't always the best motivator.) How much time do you have to invest? Make a schedule and try to stick to it tightly.

Just to show you how much progress is made when you are lax with game making: take me for example. I've slowly developed an outline for a game engine for irrlicht for a game I conceived 2 years ago. Not much progress. Not much devotion. Goes to show if you give people all the time in the world, they will probably take it. XD

That answers why you don't have investors yet. No one wants to put money down for something that doesn't have the likelihood of existing yet.

I hope I didn't sound rude. Like you, I've looked into making games, but the investment is rather heavy or it would be done by now. Making a game isn't as easy as getting a bunch of people together and saying "let's make a game". That only works if you're a big company and willing to fire lazy employees. X)

Something you might consider reading that is related to what you're doing: http://wp.me/p2dM4Z-5n

Anyways. Take care.