Alien Model

discreet · Post by **discreet** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:01 pm

I'm going to give him arms, and UVMap him.

I'm using blender 2.40...

Well, I finally got image quality to an okay. I had no idea about powers of 2... Nor did I know about Magic2d...

This is the first (incomplete)model for this game. I haven't decided a title.

The object of the game is to find a way off earth. You have to battle government agents and there secret underground robot technology. heh.

I'm going to animate in blender and render the .avi. Then I'm going to mix down the sounds in blender sequence editor and lay the audio track down with the avi in virtualdub. That way the game will be interesting with cinemeatics here and there.

Also I'm using blender as I said before for modelling.

Microsoft Visual c++ express for IDE and compiler.

.x for model format. OCT or OBJ for lightmapped levels.

newton for game physics. unless anyone has any comments about that.

.s3m, etc. for background music.

.ogg (ogg vorbis) for sound effects.

audiere for sound... (EASY API) and also I found a over the top 3d sound function for audiere.

What do you think about the model though. Don't forget he will have arms. and possibly a gun. but tell me what you think about the eyes, I'm planning to have them wobble when he walks/runs. and when he jumps the eyes will wobble then too.

The music I'm planning to get from modarchive.com. I haven't emailed the webmaster about that yet. If he wants to be an ass and get money, then I will just find someone to track for me.

Thanks you, Please comment, This is going to my first real big project.

nbfriendly · Post by **nbfriendly** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:39 pm

Modelling organic forms in low poly is usually not what nbs start with. Do you know how to uv-map that guy? (Hint: LSCM) . You will get better response at a Blender specific forum.
BTW consider to change your nick, that reminds on MAX.

Cheers

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:03 pm

I'm not changing my nick because it reminds of you max. The name I go by, and the things I write and create are discreet creations. not 3ds max creations. discreet is a trademarked name, but discreet creations isn't. Its perfectly legal.

you can tell I like the name. But its legal. So yeah. I know how to model man. I know how to map. I asked what you thought about it. Not to tell me what I already said I was going to do.

And yes. I love the new LSCM unwrap feature... Thanks for reminding me of they great tool blender has with mapping. [sarcasm]

but all kidding aside. What do you mean nbs? newbs? I said I was a newb at programming and making games. Not a newb at modelling. The reasons its low poly is for speed. and easy armature rigging. I would subsurf, but I modelled it low poly, so it looks funny subsurfed..

discreet_ · Post by **discreet_** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:06 pm

I ment sarcasm as in you tell me the great feature, not that the tools isn't great. Just thought I would clarify. I didn't post this on elysiun.com or anything like that because people tend to want you to change the whole model. I don't want to do that. I noticed people here respect the way I see it, artistically. People on blender forums, just want you too change them to something completely different.

Eternl Knight · Post by **Eternl Knight** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:11 pm

I'm thinking we have a troll here.

Firstly, discreet has a valid login already so why the sudden "guest" posts (one ending with an underscore of all things)?

Secondly, just for the record, discreet is a trademark. Allowing "discreet creations" to flourish in the 3D environment would be diluting the trademark and hence they would no allow it. Given the similarity in name and the money they can throw at lawyers - I don't think you'd stand a chance should they decide that the name is infringing upon their IP.

--EK

discreet · Post by **discreet** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:37 pm

no troll that was me, and no. It is legal. Look it up. It would also work with names like Microsoft. because they registered trademark name is also Micro Software. thinking by your logic would mean that no one could have a company named Micro Technologies, Inc. Because it "flourishes" there name. Which is rediculous.

there company name is discreet(r).

I go by the nick discreet, and discreet creations is where I archive my stuff.

I am not even a company. but if I was it would be legal.

discreet creations(tm)

Micro Software(r) - microsoft

Micro Technologies(r) - a totally different company, still legal.

look it up...

I had never even herd of 3ds max when I came up with the nick anyways.

discreet · Post by **discreet** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:38 pm

Also, Here is the model with arms.

discreet · Post by **discreet** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:43 pm

still though, I don't want everyone to think everytime they see my name, or discreet creations that it has to do with autodesk(r). So I guess I will change my nick.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:44 pm

cool model, any chance you post a wireframe shot

?

you just have to animate it, would sure look just crazy when the eyes are wobbling around when it walks or jumps

Eternl Knight · Post by **Eternl Knight** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:04 am

Actually, Microsoft DOES pursue those that come close on what they consider THEIR trademark. Microsoft were not the first to use "micro" in a tech company name, and even if they were the word "micro" has tech connotations. Hell, they shopped worldwide to find a court that would allow them to sue for the Linux distro name "Lindows".

Discreet (as a word on it's own) has nothing to do with 3D software or 3D graphics. I guarantee you that if your "Discreet Creations" company started getting visibility outside these forums and your mates - you would get a letter from their lawyers so fast it would make your head spin.

--EK

afecelis · Post by **afecelis** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 8:34 pm

I had never even herd of 3ds max

yeah right! tell me you've never heard of Messiah Studio, or Electric Image Universe, or Houdini, or Hash Animation Master and I would have believed you, but... 3ds max? C'mon!

pfo · Post by **pfo** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 9:02 pm

and even if they were the word "micro" has tech connotations

Umm... I think "micro" has size connotations, meaning small. The word 'micro' has nothing to do with technology.

they shopped worldwide to find a court that would allow them to sue for the Linux distro name "Lindows"

Don't you think it's obvious that the concatenation of Linux and Windows int 'Lindows' would seek to gain recognition as an alternative to windows that borrows elements of its name? I think they had a right to go after it...

I guarantee you that if your "Discreet Creations" company started getting visibility outside these forums and your mates - you would get a letter from their lawyers so fast it would make your head spin.

I imagine they would; if they didn't clear up the fact they weren't associated with Discreet, or if they said they were associated when they were not. Other than that, I don't see how the name 'Discreet Creations' could get you into legal trouble

Eternl Knight · Post by **Eternl Knight** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 11:15 pm

The word 'micro' has nothing to do with technology.

Technically - you are right. However, in the minds of the general consumer populace - you are not. I have not seen much use of the word micro outside the tech industry (in terms of trademarks), yet within the industry it is incredibly common.

RE: Lindows I think they had a right to go after it...

Actually, Microsoft has yet to reach a court decision vaildating their use of "Windows" as a trademark. The use of the term "windows" for said style of GUI interface has become "generic" (and was in use before they actually MADE the first Windows OS). Why do you think they have settled EVERYTIME? As it was they shooped their case against Lindows in several courts across the world before they found one that would work their way (after all, why sue Lindows in Germany if both companies are US-based? Because in the US, the law would work against them and they do not want a precedent set!).

Other than that, I don't see how the name 'Discreet Creations' could get you into legal trouble

The reason that Discreet would put a stop to it is that it would "dilute" their trademark in their chosen industry. Currently they are the only "Discreet" in the 3D graphics industry with any visibility. If they were to allow a "Discreet Creations", a "Discreet Models", a "Discreet Visualisations", etc - they would lose this. The way trademarkes work is that you HAVE to protect them or they become invalid. If they leave it - they lose it.

Besides which, one has to think about the MONEY it takes to defend a case. Discreet has on-staff lawyers, they pay them whether they are suing you or not. You don't. So long as they have a case (and they wish to pursue it) - you will eventually lose unless you have the money to pay lawyers for a long time. This is corporate reality.

As for not hearing about 3DS Max - what can I say. Either you are a beginner modellor (and hence have not had a chance to hear of them) or you're full of it. For even an "initermediate" modellor to never have heard of 3DS Max is just not feasible. Sorry.

--EK

kburkhart84 · Post by **kburkhart84** » Thu Feb 23, 2006 8:34 pm

I won't comment on whether you have had heard of 3ds Max or not. I WILL say that if your name discreet has ANYTHING to do with 3d models, visuals whatever, your best bet probably is to just change the name. If it was another industry, you could get away with it. The easiest way is a name change. Although, since Autodesk now owns the company, I'm not sure whether they would fight for the name Discreet anymore, but I wouldn't risk it. I understand that copyrights last 10 years, I think anyway, so Discreet would still be fightable for them.

boboS · Post by **boboS** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:14 am

thats funny ... in Romania there is a tampons company named Discreet. I wonder how they did managed not get sued.