[question] Securing Files

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bitplane wrote:If you want to make money without being sued you have to respect the Berne Convention anyway, which means not stealing anyone's work.
well, just telling "you're not allowed to steal my artworks" doesn't hold most of the people from stealing it... ;)
bitplane wrote:I bought GTA for the PSX recently, I don't own a Playstation anymore, I just wanted part of the soundtrack as a ringtone.
so you're stealing their work !?!?! :twisted:
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If you buy it you're not stealing anything it... He did say he bought it.
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but he didn't buy the right to use parts of it for other reasons...
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Post by fireside »

You're best protection is to put copyright notice on it with the date. It wouldn't be completely legal unless you actually got a copyright, but close enough. If this guy's a professional make him pay for it if he wants it so bad. Encryption is pretty silly because who cares if some hobbyists play with your models? Think of it as advertisement. Every artist faces this from book writers to photographers to anything. They can all be easily copied and most of the time that's a good thing. If someone try's to make money from a model you did with a copyright notice, you have the opportunity to make some money by using the good old legal system to your advantage.
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Maybe I'm off base, but I'm interested to see where that is not acceptable use. If I buy a CD, I believe I am well within my rights if I use that music to generate a mix cd using one of the tracks from the original. I believe I would also be okay if I used the tracks to generate a ring tone for use by me on my personal phone.

The difference here is that this is a video game.

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lol, doesn't matter. He wants me to secure the files so i will do what i can.

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your bosting this modeler of yours to be a god."he wants them protected so i will do what i can" Can we see some of "his" work?
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If I buy a CD, I believe I am well within my rights if I use that music to generate a mix cd using one of the tracks from the original. I believe I would also be okay if I used the tracks to generate a ring tone for use by me on my personal phone.
If it's personal use, it would be o.k. If you publish it, it would be illegal. Personally, I think I'll put a stipulation in a copyright notice that it's o.k. to use a model in non-profit applications if credit is publicly given, but permission is required in profit applications. Nothing wrong with free advertising as far as I'm concerned.
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vitek wrote:Maybe I'm off base, but I'm interested to see where that is not acceptable use. If I buy a CD, I believe I am well within my rights if I use that music to generate a mix cd using one of the tracks from the original. I believe I would also be okay if I used the tracks to generate a ring tone for use by me on my personal phone.
but only if it doesn't have a copy protection, you're not allowed to use any songs from a protected CD even for your personal needs !!!

and another prety curious thing: you know all this games with a red cross on the medi packs? The "german red cross" (DRK) tried to forbit the use of this cross, too !!! They said "It's our trademark and no one else should be allowed to use it !!!"... ;)
But I think they didn't succeed with this, but I'm not sure if the process is already finished...

and the music companies also wanted to forbit the use of their songs for ringtones, also not sure if the process is finished...

uTube or myVideo and such platforms are also in the crossfire because many people are making their own music videos with commercial songs and post them there, and AFAIK this process is still running...

so, you see all enterprises who make their money with such things are trying to hold their work for their own, even if the "burglars" don't make profit with it !!! ;)
(please don't take the word "burglar" too serious :lol: )

and for software this is another thing, in most EULAs (especially from MS) stands that you're not allowed to use any part of it for any reason... ;)

also I have to say that maybe all this can differ from country to country, I don't know...
and as a closing word: I personally don't care about this, I just wanted to mention this... ;)
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Post by fireside »

I would disagree with that. These are the terms of fair use published by the Smithsonian:
Fair use of copyrighted material includes the use of protected materials for non-commercial educational purposes, such as teaching, scholarship, research, criticism, commentary, news reporting, and other content. Unless otherwise noted, users who wish to download or print text and image files from this Web site for such uses may do so without the Smithsonian Institution’s express permission, provided that they comply with the following conditions:

1. The content may only be used for personal, educational or noncommercial purposes;
2. Users must cite the author and source of the content as they would material from any printed work;
3. The citation must include all copyright information and other information associated with the content and the URL for the Smithsonian Institution website;
4. None of the content may be altered or modified;
5. Users must comply with all other terms or restrictions which may be applicable to the individual file, image or text;
Personal use really has to be permitted or we couldn't go around singing a song that someone wrote, or back up a copy of software which we paid for and is perfectly legal. Encryption is something they added but it's not illegal to break it. It's illegal to publish copyrighted material except under the terms of fair use. It's something like worrying about that mattress tag that says it's illegal to remove. Obviously that applies to the stores selling it. It's your mattress and you can remove it if you want to.
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Post by bitplane »

There's no fair use in British copyright law, American law is much more liberal in this respect. Digital data has some really nasty restrictions here, I have the legal right to make a backup of a cassette tape but not to copy an audio CD to my hard drive or to an MP3 player. This is the reason why no major search engines were founded in the UK, there's no way to legally cache the content without explicit permission from every copyright holder.
Acki wrote:well, just telling "you're not allowed to steal my artworks" doesn't hold most of the people from stealing it... ;)
It stops them from using it in any way that is against the law and is likely to annoy the copyright holder. I don't see why you'd ever want more protection than that.
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bitplane wrote:It stops them from using it in any way that is against the law and is likely to annoy the copyright holder.
it doesn't stop them from using it, it just makes the use illegal (ok, also protections doesn't really stop them)... ;)
but "it's likely to annoy the copyright holder" is really good !!! :lol:
also I don't need any protection as you can see on my web page, I didn't protect any source or media in my projects... ;)
I added the mesh protection to my IrrExtensions because some people wanted such a protection and I thought I could use it one day, too...
and you can see I still have no need for it as I didn't update the protection to Irrlicht v1.3... ;)
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Post by Dark_Kilauea »

I'd like to add that it is currently impossible to secure your art with current video cards anyway, as anyone can take your models and textures straight out of the video memory, and there is no way to encrypt the data in the card. If you did find a way, it would be pretty useless because then the card would be unable to use that data. I know of several legal packages that can do this.

Go with a copyright notice, it's your best bet.
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Post by fireside »

I have the legal right to make a backup of a cassette tape but not to copy an audio CD to my hard drive or to an MP3 player.
That gets a little touchy even in the U.S. Since a computer can actually play the music, you have installed it on 2 devices, which is something like having software on 2 computers when you only payed one license fee. I think it tends to get overlooked in music, though. They really are just trying to keep their stuff off bit torrent which is understandable.
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Post by bepetemish »

wildrj wrote:your bosting this modeler of yours to be a god."he wants them protected so i will do what i can" Can we see some of "his" work?
Offcourse, i will send you a pm with a link to my game in the first release. I will try to upload some of hes work but as you can see in my topic named "[Question] Downloading API" in Beginners Help section my internet died at home so it might take a while.
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